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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:51 pm

I was telling him to move if he feels "worried" about people to the south every time he does something.

How many homes did Fury have? Didn't they live in Galloway first?

Its about distancing. They obviously have more friends in Ireland, than Scotland, considering the army that entered Scottish soil wasnt.. Scottish. They march with Irish soldiers. They attack Scots more often than even the English.

Its logical to me. Not pushing around. The distance could do wonders is all I am saying.

Im also not understanding what Galloway needs to 'Make up' for. An escort gone wrong, in which Galloway citizens were targeted? If anyone broke a treaty, I'd think it was the ones who spilled blood. Everything else is heresay and proofless bullshit to rouse up a war and make yourselves look like a victim after slaying a group of people.

I sit here, scratching my head.. wondering how the hell you expect anyone to 'offer', what we dont have, and did nothing to instigate.

I dont advocate pushing people around either, thats why I am wondering why the fuck you guys are allowing that bastard of a cat to do it again. They sink ships, harass us for years, and when we stand up Laighean sends a fuckin army. So, I sit back, Campbell pays money against my will, I step down as Chief and go on a trip, to come back and find you rattling swords and slaying more people.

Seriously guys. Wtf kind of logic is this? This bullying bullshit needs to end. Does all of this really make sense to any of you? I know I, or Clan Campbell has never done anything wrong to the Celtic Alliance, and having others spit in your face, while they protect a cat who only serves to harass a group that has always backed the CA up. Why? Because we wont bow.

Send an army.

We still wont bow to that fucking cat. Spend a year in Whithorn, and watch for yourselves how the harassment and BS continues without end. We turn the cheek, only to be called names, and have Spring tell us to pay them money?

What I do know, by now, is that there was war wanted from the start and all of this is just the preparation to attack. You never wanted peace, you wanted time. Time to let us make more money to be stolen, and more lives to be lost on our side. While you know Glasgow was never under threat, you'll come. And we'll defend. Nothing will be solved, and we'll be back at this afterwards. From Galloway, or some other county nearby. Except we'll know the next time, that any treaty made by Spring, or Dry, will fall through if they want you dead anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:15 pm

*sighs*

I don't want anyone dead.  What is needed is for Glasgow to be secure, and those in Galloway need to leave them be.  No secret agents, no getting alts elected mayors of Glasgow towns, no sending letters to Glasgow's newborns, trying to get them to defect, no supporting election of a monarch that will target Glasgow or the CA diplomatically (I don't believe Ian was acting alone, and nothing anyone says will convince me of that).  It's pretty simple.  Galloway and everyone living there need to leave Glasgow be, to build up and recover.  They also need to avoid electing monarchs hostile to Glasgow.  The bigger county has more votes, but in this case the smaller county has more allies, so it needs to be a wash, and the 2 counties need to find a way to live in peace, and not go around poking and prodding each other.

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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:17 pm

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How many homes did Fury have? Didn't they live in Galloway first?

No. I am former ayrish but I never was Galloway's citizen and not going to be in the future.
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:37 pm

See but y'all still haven't proven anything. There's no link between Galloway council interfering in Glasgow. I don't think there is any actual interfering, just straws being grasped at so there's an excuse for war. If you want to go, go, but don't hide behind some invented righteousness or by playing the helpless victim.

If you really think they wanted to do something then why didn't they do it while we were gone? Y'all claim they had mayors do shit to the towns just to fuck with you but there's no proof, again it's just your need to attack something. I looked on the Scottish forums recently and it seems like even the Fury General Seldomseen thinks the matter is resolved when you killed the intruders. Since neither Duke, and neither council, are asking for help or wanting to declare war then what the fuck are you guys doing? I see this as possibly backfiring big time for the CA. We beat England once, but it wasn't easy, could we do it again without ruining entire nations? This really isn't more than two families that dislike each other, so far both sides seem to have not used their counties to help either. Yeah there are councilors on both sides who might give preference or not make an action to stop someone, but they aren't helping.

A parallel could be between RK and the middle east. Glasgow is Israel and Galloway is...idk Saudi Arabia? One nation is bigger and richer and more powerful but the smaller one has a big ass friend, the US or in our game the CA. The small nation always relies on their ally to back up all the shit that they talk and the big nation could attack the small one but doesn't because they've seen what happens. They lose. The last time an army from Galloway went into Glasgow they got spanked bad. I don't think they will be doing that ever again. Not as long as we still have our ***** banners up.

This is all talking shit and rattling sabers, oh and blowing hot air. Just stop poking each other and stay on your sides of the bed

Making war won't help Glasgow, it will only piss off Galloway. This isn't like sailing over to Portugal where our enemies are far away. They will literally be in your backyard. It's just like Anto said, you'll be trying to hold down hostile territory with angry natives and you'll bleed your money out.
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:42 pm

A clone ?
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:54 pm

How many Kings/Queens have their been in Scotland? 6-7 (Cheatley, The guy that was in bed with Frets, Wallace, Barerose (unelected), Terra, and Sheridan) I may be missing some in the year I didn't play of course. Two of those were Fury/Glasgow citizens (3 if you want to count Barerose). Where's Galloway dominating the Scottish royalty? The fact that the current Queen came from a Galloway background? Was Galloway's entire existence under critical duress when Terra was queen last? I don't think so...so what's the difference?

They all have equally as great tea parties that only their friends attend, not meaning to insult anyone here, but it really is just an RP position. And Spring you may be completely right about royalty have undue diplomatic weight on the continent, what do I know about international diplomatic relations? The Fret King used his position to do such things and evidence of his actions abounded didn't it? Where's the evidence that Sheridan has done the same? That she's a Campbell (not all of whom want to destroy Fury), that she quite possibly used clones to influence this election, and that if she does have clones she's proven her ineptitude as a mayor with one of these potential clones?
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:00 pm

Cheatley - Glasgow/Fury
Rothar - Galloway
Wallace - Galloway
Barerose - Galloway
Terrasophia - Glasgow/Fury
Hebrin - Glasgow
Sheridan - Galloway
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:05 pm

So then of the elected royalty 3 are from Galloway and 3 are from Glasgow.
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:09 pm

4 of Galloway, 3 of Glasgow.

Why couldnt we agree on the candidate ? Its not like we wouldnt mind someone from Galloway being the monarch, but please - it shouldnt be an open enemy of us.
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:14 pm

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4 of Galloway, 3 of Glasgow.

True but Barerose wasn't elected was he? Wasn't he put in place by the admins when Wallace disappeared as he was Wallace's heir? I know something convoluted like that happened.

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Why couldnt we agree on the candidate ? Its not like we wouldnt mind someone from Galloway being the monarch, but please - it shouldnt be an open enemy of us.

I don't see a problem with it...but what do I know? I'm the one who started half this situation to begin with. Vote Sullihan for King cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:17 pm

Barerose was elected. At the time of course, only one county did care to vote: Glasgow was occupied and Galloway voted him in not only as the king but also as their duke. Admins had nothing to do with it.

Go and be the king, I dont mind it at all, we simply do need some discussions if we're about to secure the peace here.
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:48 pm

I'll make a push for it.
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:51 pm

To be fair to Bare, he at least tried to be constructive. Not Fury, not Campbell, Galloway hated him, you lot thought he was mad, so really the best guy for the job Laughing

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ts all simple: either Galloway will try to make up for what was done and makes sure it wont happen anymore or we will be going to act. The old treaty will perfectly serve for casus belli. What I am asking for - some sort of dialogue/discussion between the sides. But it wont happen.

Well Sinthas seems like he's almost got a talk going, I can always deal with Evan if you fancy, guy's followed me on most things. Make the demands:

1: Ian gets the fuck out of Scotland.
2: The same for anyone that so much about thinks about attacking Glasgow.
3 A bit money to sweeten the pot and lowering our debt wouldn't hurt.


If they're afraid of committing to 1, it'll make me think they're worried about what he might say and thus there might be more to saying he wasn't acting alone. If they can't agree to 2, then it shows a lasting peace ain't really going to work and as for 3, well. Can't help but try.


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Actually Ian WAS on the CC. Apparently in an unseated role, so he wasn't general of the GAF, but he was on the council

Then this guy needs banished, pronto. I've been telling them from the start.
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:18 pm

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How many Kings/Queens have their been in Scotland?  6-7 (Cheatley, The guy that was in bed with Frets, Wallace, Barerose (unelected), Terra, and Sheridan) I may be missing some in the year I didn't play of course.  Two of those were Fury/Glasgow citizens (3 if you want to count Barerose).  Where's Galloway dominating the Scottish royalty?  The fact that the current Queen came from a Galloway background?  Was Galloway's entire existence under critical duress when Terra was queen last?  I don't think so...so what's the difference?  

They all have equally as great tea parties that only their friends attend, not meaning to insult anyone here, but it really is just an RP position.  And Spring you may be completely right about royalty have undue diplomatic weight on the continent, what do I know about international diplomatic relations?  The Fret King used his position to do such things and evidence of his actions abounded didn't it?  Where's the evidence that Sheridan has done the same?  That she's a Campbell (not all of whom want to destroy Fury), that she quite possibly used clones to influence this election, and that if she does have clones she's proven her ineptitude as a mayor with one of these potential clones?

Ian claimed to be representing Sheridan.  His denials now that he's been exposed carry no weight with me.  I'm convinced Ian had Sheridan's approval for what he did in Brittany.  I'm less sure about Evan, but he may also have approved it.  Sheridan has been vocally against Fury and Glasgow for a very long time, one could classify her as hating them.

I'm a Chancellor, and trust me trying to get Ambassadors or Chancellors from other Kingdoms to understand our monarchs have no power, and we don't have a national government is not easy.  They ask about the monarch's term, when it ends, where the Royal Embassy is, we get past that, then next thing they want to make a treaty with Ireland.  There is no Ireland in terms of a government to sign a treaty with, but it's hard to convince them, they are so used to everyone having national governments, lead by a royal or Grand Duke.

Why does that matter?  Because it makes an opening for a monarch in Scotland or Ireland to forge alliances with whole Kingdoms elsewhere, and invite them to our lands to help achieve their military goals (like forcing the CA/Fury out of Scotland).  This is why Dry was objecting to Sheridan being made Queen in Scotland, it gave her a position which could be used to gain allies, against Fury/the CA/Glasgow (as Glasgow is a member of the CA attacking the CA is attacking Glasgow).

As for evidence, we foiled the plot, so all we have are a few posts of a failed attempt to recruit help, but the failure doesn't negate what was tried, and now Glasgow feels under constant threat.  Wouldn't you in their shoes?

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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:26 pm

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Ian claimed to be representing Sheridan.  His denials now that he's been exposed carry no weight with me.  I'm convinced Ian had Sheridan's approval for what he did in Brittany.  I'm less sure about Evan, but he may also have approved it. Sheridan has been vocally against Fury and Glasgow for a very long time, one could classify her as hating them.

This is the same Ian who about a year ago joined a clan I created with my wife 4-5 years ago, proceeded to create an RP background that had him as the true chief of the clan, and proceeded to attempt to hijack my clan...all this while somehow believing IRL that everything was completely ok with the situation.  The ass hole told me I could start a new clan with a smile on his face...so yes...I believe the crazy SOB would claim to represent the crown and the county without anyone knowing.  He would do this to improve his feelings of self importance by adding a few more imagined and stolen titles to his name.  This is the same guy who fled England due to similar issues and has now changed his name hoping people will forget who he really is.

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I'm a Chancellor, and trust me trying to get Ambassadors or Chancellors from other Kingdoms to understand our monarchs have no power, and we don't have a national government is not easy.  They ask about the monarch's term, when it ends, where the Royal Embassy is, we get past that, then next thing they want to make a treaty with Ireland.  There is no Ireland in terms of a government to sign a treaty with, but it's hard to convince them, they are so used to everyone having national governments, lead by a royal or Grand Duke.

Why does that matter?  Because it makes an opening for a monarch in Scotland or Ireland to forge alliances with whole Kingdoms elsewhere, and invite them to our lands to help achieve their military goals (like forcing the CA/Fury out of Scotland).  This is why Dry was objecting to Sheridan being made Queen in Scotland, it gave her a position which could be used to gain allies, against Fury/the CA/Glasgow (as Glasgow is a member of the CA attacking the CA is attacking Glasgow).

I bow to your knowledge of international affairs as, as I mentioned, I have no experience there.  But Sheridan has not created alliances with Kingdoms elsewhere has she?  Besides this issue with Ian (with Sheridan's connection or not) what has she done to threaten Fury/the CA/Glasgow?  What I do know is that if Sheridan were to hypothetically recruit enemies to fight Fury it wouldn't be Fretalians which, in my opinion, strips away legitimacy in her believed involvement.  Campbell and Fury may hate each other...but they both hate Fretalians.  No they didn't spend as much time with their fingers in the pie in Whithorn as in Glasgow, but they did come and completely loot the town while flipping it independent due to seeing Whithorn pop up as one of the 10 richest cities in RK at that time.

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As for evidence, we foiled the plot, so all we have are a few posts of a failed attempt to recruit help, but the failure doesn't negate what was tried, and now Glasgow feels under constant threat.  Wouldn't you in their shoes?As for evidence, we foiled the plot, so all we have are a few posts of a failed attempt to recruit help, but the failure doesn't negate what was tried, and now Glasgow feels under constant threat.  Wouldn't you in their shoes?

No, the failure doesn't negate what was tried.  But it also doesn't show connections beyond Ian's claims that he had anyone else's backing.  This is where I think sharing what was going on in the beginning could have helped the situation...Where was the security risk in informing Galloway (whether they were implicit or not) of the goings on?  Galloway couldn't have sped anything up or done damage to Glasgow on its own.  One of two things might have happened:  

1. A small army of radicals might have attacked Glasgow pulling Galloway proper to Glasgow's side as even if Evan were complicit Galloway as a whole would not have been.
2. The same situation as is occurring now might have occurred with Ian being brought up on criminal charges and Fretalians put on the kill list.

Instead Galloway was left out of the loop and we get more mistrust from both sides whether correctly placed or not.  I empathize with the feeling of constant threat, we in Whithorn lived under that specter for quite some time with Fury robberies/revolts/sinkings/etc.  Yes Whithorn/Campbell reacted in a way that damaged relations throughout Scotland and Ireland...but these actions, however incorrect they may have been, were taken in response to "physical" IG occurrences.  As I said people were robbed, revolts occurred, ships were sunk, etc.  This is starkly different than the current goings on with war looming over us due to Ian's whispers and Julius' mails.  Were they threats to Glasgow? Maybe, but they are issues that are/can be dealt with without this straight to war mentality.
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:42 pm

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This is the same guy who fled England due to similar issues and has now changed his name hoping people will forget who he really is.

Then we'll get your support down in Galloway to banish the nutcase? Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:46 pm

I'm all for his expulsion but I don't see it happening and requiring that for peace is an almost guaranteed way to get war Very Happy I don't think his past is common knowledge as he's constantly changing names to escape it when he makes enemies.
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:52 pm

So, you're on board for that part? See, who says I don't talk sense Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:23 am

Not going to quote the long post, but will try to respond.  It's possible you are right about Ian, but we'll never know for sure.  To be clear I don't think anyone in the CA wants war, and that includes Fury.  Our forces just got back from fighting a war that lasted nearly 6 months.  I'm pretty sure everyone would love to get a break.  But that can't happen if Fury and Glasgow feel at risk and exposed.

The real issue is that Sheridan is sitting in a seat where she can do great harm to Glasgow, and she has a long history showing that would be desirable from her point of view.  What if Sheridan approaches France to come help them, and they agree?  Tanissa was Admiral of France last I heard, so that might bring the Frets to Scotland's doorstep, with a lot of extra backup.  Or if she approaches Castille, who has effectively declared war on the CA?  The issue is Sheridan is in a position of diplomatic power, and Glasgow and Fury objected before Galloway put her there.  No one listened, in fact they laughed and celebrated when Sheridan became Queen.  Meanwhile Fury and Glasgow were very worried, then the Ian incident happened.  I wouldn't have told Galloway either.  Glasgow had effectively no defenses, with Fury and their 5* armies in Portugal.  It's possible even a 20 man 5* army could have taken the whole county.  Maybe it wouldn't have happened, but in their shoes that's not a risk I would have taken.  Evan was Duke, Sheridan was Queen, if Ian's claims were true, then it would have been a disaster.

What is needed is for Glasgow and Galloway to work together, and select monarchs that aren't hostile to either county.  Then trust and communication become much easier, and Scotland has a real chance to unify over time.  Also those in Galloway need to stay out of Glasgow's business.  Maybe if the head of the Campbells signs a treaty for their clan, that would end things.  The letters recruiting Glasgow's newborns need to stop.  Campbell agents posing as Glasgow citizens, and running for office there needs to stop.  Pillaging Glasgow TH's needs to stop.  Fury and Glasgow have been good for their word, and have not caused any trouble in Galloway since the treaty was signed, but it certainly appears the Campbells are still taking action against Glasgow and Fury.  Both sides have to stop for peace to last.

ETA: Fury's actions against Whithorn were because they had intel about a plot by JO to attack Glasgow while Fury was in England fighting with the CA.  Right or wrong Fury believed JO planned to destroy their home while they were off fighting a war, and they wanted to make it crystal clear that such tactics were not acceptable.  Ian's little stunt seemed much the same (another plot to attack Glasgow while Fury was away fighting a war outside of Scotland), and repeated episodes like this make it harder and harder to make and keep peace between Galloway and Glasgow.

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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:31 am

Why is the funny scottish thread never funny Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:49 am

It's a bit like Billy Connolly, too old tell a joke Sad


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The real issue is that Sheridan is sitting in a seat where she can do great harm to Glasgow, and she has a long history showing that would be desirable from her point of view.

Okay, during her term, can ya point towards one point where she's said les go kill Glasgow? Tis looks mighty yum yums! Kill dah Glaswegians? Before this whole thing flared up, I was saying the Scottish threads were dead, had there been any threats from the monarch to garnther such a response, Glasgow itself, not Fury would be saying let's smash her face, and Galloway's while we're at it. We remember Rothar enough to not allow anything like that get through.


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Maybe it wouldn't have happened, but in their shoes that's not a risk I would have taken. Evan was Duke, Sheridan was Queen, if Ian's claims were true, then it would have been a disaster.

So. It's basically paranoia at this point. There's nothing solid to tie Ian to the crown, or the council, so the fact that they could have attacked, now justifies a period of almost war between the counties? Why can't people just talk before things reach this boiling point if this is what it's all over?


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Fury's actions against Whithorn were because they had intel about a plot by JO to attack Glasgow while Fury was in England fighting with the CA. Right or wrong Fury believed JO planned to destroy their home while they were off fighting a war, and they wanted to make it crystal clear that such tactics were not acceptable. Ian's little stunt seemed much the same (another plot to attack Glasgow while Fury was away fighting a war outside of Scotland), and repeated episodes like this make it harder and harder to make and keep peace between Galloway and Glasgow.

There's a slight difference. JO has a history of actually going through with what he wants, and he's got himself slashed a good few times failing. Ian, on the other hand. Is disliked in Galloway, mocked by clan Campbell and an overall idiot. Is it a fair comparison in terms of security to compare the two?


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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:32 am

I'm not sure if BareRose is considered Galloway by who elected him or by where he was living at the moment, but his heart was always in Glasgow and being as far from the English as possible. We only lived in Galloway to set up base because we knew the Frets would come to Galloway and fight there. He only ever saw Galloway as a place to trade ,and an unfortunate but necessary part of Scotland.

Elois felt quite similar and did not want to be there at all. I suppose I'll offend the Galloway folk in saying that but Glasgow is the only place in Scotland I ever took my char ,where I didn't have to spend months proving her intent.

And I'll finally admit I enjoyed breeding those animals. Everytime Korna or one of those hypocrites started complainin simply because they didn'the trust us, I bred some more. It was a sort of drinking game. I'd ask Bare if I should stop but he let me keep going until I was bored.

And we looted what we could. I forget if it was Wig town treasury or CC. It was all handed to me before the hurricane and Bare asked me to keep it for our use.

Also, I named our son Tosher but never mentione it.

What's her face...the Lady Lyon, btw...we both agreed to install her on a trial basis, which she knew about. We chose not to tell anyone because we didn't want her harassed about it while she was learning. She was harassment anyway. Razz. I am guessing Bare left her in just to draw it out and troll you all. If so, bravo.

Don't get me wrong. I wanted to have things workout with Galloway and be all kumbaya, but fuckit, you guys made me miss the Ayrish.

It's just amazing to me, after all of this time, you're all still with this rivalry. Ya can't do right or wrong by Scotland. It'll always come back to this.


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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:18 am

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I'm convinced Ian had Sheridan's approval for what he did in Brittany.  I'm less sure about Evan, but he may also have approved it.  Sheridan has been vocally against Fury and Glasgow for a very long time, one could classify her as hating them.

On this point, I got into the privy council a few days before any this kicked off, after hearing about the state of Glasgow's town hall treasury - intending to get some of the royal funds for it -, I got sent this mail from one of my citizens up in the city:

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A Great Distraught! URGENT

I beg of you, my liege, I beg for you to fix your land! For my home, the city of Glasgow, the capital of Glasgow County, goes unfinished! The city is without walls, the ground without paving! The money half good, and no jobs to be seen. Please rescue us from this desert, my queen. I beg for you to save us all from this damnation!

Seeing how I was and remain the only Glaswegian in there, they wanted my opinion on the matter. It was sent by a newborn, clearly a clone by judging the fact that the day he sent it, he was last seen or logged in.



Clearly, someone on one side or another was trying to give the crown reason to attack Glasgow. Now, had they intended to invade, attack or make a move on Glasgow, why on earth would this be revealed to me, if I may quote myself in terms or regards about Galloway:

Me wrote:
You disgust me, Galloway. You deserved every blow, every cut, every infected and deadly wound you received. It's easy to unfurl the Scottish flag in the hour of need, but Jah forbid you continue in an upright and moral cause the moment there aren't armies at your gates. I pray that the English butcher, destroy and ransack your towns and villages. Let your people scream out in agony as the Glaswegians you so gleefully left to their subjugation. May you suffer tenfold that which we, honest Scots were dealt thanks to your purposeful inaction. May Jah judge your corrupt, hollow and worthless souls for what they are. As black as sin. As rotten as off fruit and as useful as holey barrels' of rum on a long and hard voyage.


So if Galloway gives me a reason to put a boot between their balls, it's easily taken. But I was shown the letter, told that someone was going to try and create a war in Scotland, what I told them to do, was have the Queen come out and say that she won't allow any armies, any foriegners or the likes march through Galloway with her blessing. While debating how to deliver the message, whether or not it'd be better for me to give it our, or Evan, Ian got his ass cut up into pieces.

So, if we're to believe that King and Queen were behind this idiot, why was I given this message and why didn't they come straight out and demand that Glasgow bow down before them?
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PostSubject: Re: Funny Scottish Shit   Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:05 am

*sighs*

If Sheridan is planning a sneak attack on Glasgow, she's not going to make it public. But let's forget about her, as she doesn't matter, other than as an example of creating trouble between the counties.

The monarch of Scotland has diplomatic powers, because other places will give it to them, whether anyone in Scotland agrees or not. Because of that both counties need to agree on who will get the free monarch council votes. Otherwise any monarch can use the power of diplomacy to make alliances, and cause a lot of trouble, in Scotland and also for the CA. That's the issue. Galloway was asked to not support Sheridan as she hated Fury and Glasgow. Galloway did what they wanted, and voted Sheridan into office as Queen. Fury and Glasgow were left to worry. Then Ian went asking for help to push Fury and the CA out of Scotland, saying he was sent by the Queen of Scotland and the Duke of Galloway. Given Glasgow had no say on who was Queen, and that they expected her to betray them, the results were inevitable. The treaty requires that Galloway and Glasgow work together to keep the peace. One county backing a monarch that is against the other county, in my opinion, breaks that part of the treaty. That's not working together, that's poking the other county in the eye.

If you want iron clad proof in Sheridan's own words, she's not that stupid. We don't have it and we will never have it. That doesn't mean she's not going to do bad things (if she gets the chance), or that Glasgow is safe.

I do NOT want war. I want Galloway and Glasgow to sit down and figure out a way to work together, so this never happens again. I want both counties, and all of their people to respect the sovereignty of the other side, and not interfere. That means Fury leaves Galloway alone (which they have done), and the Campbells leave Glasgow alone (which they haven't done). The treaty requires both sides do their part to work for peace. If only one side is keeping to the terms of the treaty it's never going to hold.

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